full view.http://learningismessy.com/blog/ brian crosby's blog
bryan crosby teaches in a title1 school with mostly ELL kids -- social justice dimensions of his work is really interesting
if we rephrase the cell phone question with any piece of print media, would we be able to answer it?
I remember hearing Donald Leu present tech/literacy issues in 2003 at the National Reading Conference...
Hit the play button at the bottom of the graph Allison. You will totally be amazed
Interesting website, Robin
Does cell phone use, for example, foster verbosity or eloquence?
My students have to have data and graphical literacy skills to interpret the data they consume on the internet. That isn't in the curriculum
Tony -- no. Which is why we need to teach how to do it well.
Does online collaboration necessarily lead to greater understanding?
I have been struggling with the ways it changes not only the way I teach math but the math itself. Ex: http://www.gapminder.org/
Thanks, Allison. Yes, faculty and students.
Terry, Each participant - meaning both faculty and students?
'Want' and 'need' do not always align.
In that each participant is equally valuable to the holistic education.
This feels like the kind of education structured around The Evergreen State College.
i want to research it actually.
not yet. but i do think those activist groups are serving as professional networks for improving practice.
wayne, Yes. is there a digital element to that networking in any sponsored way -- I know of FB pages
So then are they an educator, too?
Jane, actually, at Rethinking Schools, we've always encouraged teachers to build networks for survival. Now we push activist groups too.
But if I have an ongoing, long term "virtual" relationship, then they might be a mentor
They could be either Terry. If I am just learning a specific quick skill, they are a teacher of that one thing.
How do kids come to be "Andrew?"
Teachers are of any age from anywhere, I believe that the same has been said of mentors. So are these people mentors or teachers?
so how do we teach our teachers to build their own professional learning networks?
Ooh! Great statement Tony!!
Tony I think we have our t-shirt slogan :)
Education is as crucial as ever; schooling needs a new paradigm
Yup Robin Exactly
Jane my answer for that: Are there books that have bad things in them? So does that mean that we shouldn't let kids read books?
Tony@good lad: so how do we educate in an information rich world when the historical model is built on information scarcity
I do hear my students say that because there are sites like this, we should not let kids use the internet for research. But that's not educ
Google is a verb; Kleenex is a noun. I love the flexibility of English!
Teaching students "how to google" is also a digital literacy skill
I'm reminded of John Goodlad's insistence to differentiate 'schooling' and 'education'
I still worry about security issues and political conservatism with social networking/production, etc. guess i'm old school that way.
Yes, Terry, and that suggests an important role for educators
What I think is being said is, "its here, they're using it, let's teach to it."
Tony, what can we learn from how people are now reading socially that can inform our pedagogy?
How does tech use change as kids get older? How do we scaffold that use?
Wayne, I think we do need to think about a developmental trajectory to using technology
Great question, Wayne.
Interesting for consideration regarding writing papers.
does age impact how we think about this digital literacy issue? (e.g., primary v secondary)
Where is the pedagogy?
Risky to confound digital literacy with quick clicking
Wayne, I find most kids develop skills to a low level on their own, and don't build them w/o a push.
Students aren't digitally literate. They just can use the tech. Being able to read words doesn't make me literate or able to read a book.
great point cap.
Bill, I generally agree. but they are expert in some digital literacy skills too - just not ones we necessarily value in school.
the wiki issues... connect with the problems/issues around discipline... including those raised by Foucault
does he think that teacher education promotes that kind of 'delivery' of info?
but there are some pretty big class/race related gaps in kinds of "literacy" (producing vs.consuming)
Again this is the assumption that all students will access this.
Brad, I think he's arguing that that's our job now
Wayne, most kids are novice in their skills, I believe they need coaching from experts.
I'm struggling to find where reflection occurs in this fire hose of connections?
exactly his point, I think, wayne.
another thought: kids are already digitally literate. we don't need to teach this. they need critical digital literacy skills though?
i mean operating within framework of viewing individuals solely as consumers.
wayne, consumer culture?
good point tony.
underlying premises: consumer culture is okay, choice really exists? Feels like this.
Jane, I meant 'passion' here is connected to ideas of choice and the individual. These aren't universal.
Technology is market-driven, not reform-driven.
michael, the world outside of school has already gone. THe question here is what schools then become
Is 'passion for learning' valued equally across diverse groups?
ahhh. Ok. I understand. That's what I was trying to point out too. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Terry, I don't disagree on that point (focus of my research), I just challenge the value of the test fundamentally.
what is the difference between information, and education? I don't raise this as "resistance"...but as a way to think about what is preciou
"Teaching them how to represent themselves in a google search" is definitely a skill just like creating a resume
say more tony
Is 'passion-based learning' the main goal? Might this be culturally specific?
Wayne, testing & race are very closely connected to social justice. If you dont have equal access to resources, etc. that are being tested..
i should say, i understand the issues of race and positioning and testing, but i don't think that is really connected to social justice.
great comment about the obama digs. context and social justice. lets get on to the elearning. i would not be here if i didn't want to move f
thanks cap. i'm glad you called him on it. although i'm still not convinced about the arguments around race, justice, and testing.
Print is linear. Digital media is not. It takes even more literacy skills to navigate.
and what about networking skills?
Kids who struggle to read print struggle even more online
We don't teach digital literacy skills. We teach grooming, manners, playing nice. Why not teach how to interact online?
The importance of media and information literacy skills cannot be overstated
I agree with him that we need to teach kids how to manage and take control of their public online identities
When you do figure it out, teach me
What he is talking about is digital literacy. Teaching important things like not clicking "stay logged in" when using fb on a public comp
i'm waiting for the real time/real world movement to develop in response... only a matter of time I think.
so there are opportunities for kids to find what they don't now know that they don't know?
If we don't teach/encourage our kids to talk with others how will they learn to meet new folks?
I think you can learn it from Youtube Tony. You just can't get a license to practice.
So why can't I learn to be a doctor by watching Youtube?
The same argument was made over 100 years ago against high school. Now, its a national standard.
I agree Wayne, it isn't the destination that we need to focus on, it is going to happen. The transition is what is missing
How do we change and adapt and consider the issues like how does a student know he needs algebra...especially when he doesn't "like" it
he's right about the commonsense issue, but feels like he's missing something about transformation.
I am in total agreement with him. I think that smartphones are coming and can't be avoided. My ?s are more about how are we going to do it
I don't think that we are arguing that we had solved problems of teaching judgment and choice and now tech is messing that up?
I do too but I'm not sure technology is the only answer to this
okay, now I'm agreeing with him about the problem solving and inquiry stuff.
What about parents and voters?
cap, i want to see the rest of your comment.
the issues around judgement (that Tony raises) and choice (that Wayne and Robin are raising) seem to me to relate to the functions of discip
the 100 mill from zuckerberg will change something: break the teachers union.
I don't agree that educators don't get the switch.
is there an app for that Robin? :)
What teachers need to offer to students is their adaptive expertise. I.e. We need to teach math the way real mathematicians DO math.
Ah, knowing and doing are different.
but do teachers have the discretion to meet students' needs?
Schools may not know what students need, but good teachers do.
Expertise is not always offered. Novice learning is easy to find.
are we too stuck in the idea of "liberal education"? Is the conception of what kids "need to know" changing? Who decides that?
Exactly! Great points Robin and Wayne.
robin, do schools know what kids need?
Robin, they'd just study stuff they like.
huge issue, Robin. we don't know what we don't know. how do we figure that out just on our own?
So could students diagnose their educational needs and look it up online? How do they know what they need? i.e. Math, science
In one study only 33% of frequent Internet users had been taught to judge the reliability of online sources
Vetting authors, filtering data, considering sources...
what they are not exposed to?
The biggest issue for online teaching/learning = vetting of authors?
Great, if a person is passionate about learning, but what about exposure. People are drawn to what they enjoy, and do well. What about...
Learning happens dispute of teaching.
passion, motivation, culture have always been critical to education - and teachers work on this all the time (good ones)
...they should not invest in technology
Motivation is prime for learning, no?
cap, my students answer the social justice question by arguing that because they're in title 1 schools without equipment, they shoul not to
actually there is work on providing equal access to the internet. the fcc and other agencies have implemented new measures for rural areas a
what are the social justice implications of the changes you are describing?
that's already happening bill. military is using video games to recruit and train.
I can't know what I don't know but I can have many many questions
I'd like to hear you talk about the idea of "discipline"...what might this mean in the context of the "new learning" environments you are de
cognitive version of invisible hand of the free market? leave it up to individuals to sort it out in competition.
How to transfer skill in shootinng aliens to building airplanes?
Crowdsoursing misses out on expertise
Students need to know not only how to FIND a teacher, but how to find a teacher that actually KNOWS the right "stuff"
But do you still need me at all?
exactly what I was thinking too Tony. How do you know what you don't know?
Good question about learning, Tony. Plus, there are things that face-to-face groups can do that virtual ones cannot.
How is it decided what SHOULD be learned? Not choice but necessary body of knowledge and/or skills?
How do you decide what SHOULDN'T be learned on your own?
"I can't become a doctor by watching videos online." What about becoming a teacher?
How is 'learning' being defined?
Likely need workplace transformation first
yes, have to look at the politics of corporate-backed reform for all of this stuff. Zuckerberg is backing the mayoral takeover of Newark sc
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