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Paula: HI, all! Looking forward to learning from the great thinkers here already!
Paula: Will this room only hold 30 participants?
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Diane K: Good Evening
tom fullerton: Hi
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aforgrave (Andrew): Looking forward to this ...
catherine mcmahon: good evening
Drew Smith: Smile if you're a PLP person!
tom fullerton: bonsoir celine - de quebec?
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Matthew Valia - NYC: If we have questions, should we paste them into the chat now or wait for the discussion?
tom fullerton: Nice to be in the same room as some of the people I've been reading / tweeting with
Moderator (Will Richardson): @ MAtt, you can put them in here now if you like.
Matthew Valia - NYC: Allan - Your work on Cognitive Apprenticeship theory and Situated Learning environments has been influential in how I teach computers to my students.
What are your current thoughts about your work from the early 1990s? What recent technology uses have gotten you excited about the opportunity to create situated learning environments for students?
leonard waks: Can someone help me find the tool so that I check my mike and headset.
Moderator (Robin Ellis): @leonard we are not having people use mics tonight you may type your questions here and I will send them to Will
Gene McCracken: Iowa - would love to be a PLPer - can smile anyway!
Diane K: Emmaus, Pennsylvania
John Bennett: what are some of the best ways to encourage / empower / ignite the gatekeeper (tear) in the classroom?
leonard waks: Thanks Robin. If I have questions I'll type them.
Drew Smith: other than the teacher?
John Bennett: Sorry - tear is really teacher in my question
hshawjr: Hi from Sidney, Maine
leonard waks: I'm not getting any sound. Is there anything up yet?
Drew Smith: nope
dave cormier: after a quick look over the chatroom, i think i am officially the most troublesome person here that i know...
Moderator (Robin Ellis): @leonard no not yet
Moderator (Robin Ellis): @dave not sure about that
Moderator (Will Richardson): @ Dave I agree. ;0)
Stephanie Anderson: I think you are right Dave.
Moderator (Allan Collins): Allan: I like the work of David Shaffer at Wisconsin who has been developing situated learning environments that mimic professional practices such as journalism, design. The book has a little flavor of the cognitive apprenticeship work in Chapter 8 on how schools can respond to technology.
Andrea Blanco: Is there a way to make the chat area larger? More text available?
Bron: Hi peeps
kyteacher: @Andrea Go to View at the top, then unlock the layout. Then you can resize as needed.
AdrianC: @andrew yes - change your view
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Jon Becker: Rich Halverson smells funny.
Andrea Blanco: Thank you
dave cormier: ah... i hadn't seen Jon Becker... he might be more troublesome than me
Moderator (Rich Halverson): Jon Becker! How you doing?
Jon Becker: Hey Rich!
leonard waks: Hi Alan and Rich: I heard your program with Steve Hargadon at Futureofed
Bron: higher ed peeps making jokes
Paul W. Hankins: Hello, KyTeacher!
Jon Becker: Rich Halverson has a peer-reviewed journal article on fantasy sports...my hero!
Bron: Hiya KJ
Bron: Hiya Jackie
Susan-Chinquapin: Am I supposed to see something on the screen?
Moderator (Robin Ellis): @Susan no
jackiegerstein: Hi Bron
Kevin Jarrett: Hi Bron!
Bron: I have a DS - not just kids play
dave cormier: communities are good
jackiegerstein: They are dave
dave cormier: no play/learning distinction in many of those
Kevin Jarrett: DeviantArt is very powerful - daughter is in there BIGTIME.
Jon Becker: "Communities are good" (Cormier, 2010)
Kevin Jarrett: lol @ JonBecker
Andrea Blanco: I have been hearing a lot about deviantart. How old is your daughter KJ?
Kevin Jarrett: @Andrea she is 13
Susan-Chinquapin: But the non-elites have access at school!
Kevin Jarrett: and has been on for 2 years
Paul W. Hankins: Every once and a while I will have a student show me DeviantArt or bring it up in a conversation.
leonard waks: Judy Bre4ck, "109 IDEAS", THINKS THE WEB OF LEARNING WILL SIMPLY WIPE OUT THE DIGITAL DIVIDE.
Andrea Blanco: gotcha
Lorraine Leo: The Scratch community is another example
dave cormier: @jon becker i'm not sure i like your tone young man
Jon Becker: @davecormier - I could have asked you what your warrant is for that knowledge claim
Drew Smith: Jon, Dave, play nice...
tom fullerton: my daughter's on Deviant as well
Kevin Jarrett: @Tom Frightening name, isn't it?
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): distance ed breaks down melting pot? We have students interact with students with communities way beyond their own... Not sure, distance education homogenizes....
dave cormier: @jon becker man after my own heart
leonard waks: Anyone else reading Judy Breck?
Becky Fisher: Learner control is critical regardless of "classroom platform"
Drew Smith: True Becky
Becky Fisher: I have seen teacher directed on-line classes
Jon Becker: I thought we'd at least get some video footage of Will Richardson's ponytail here...disappointing.
Diane K: Absolutely, Becky. Now how do we get others to believe this or make it their passion?
jackiegerstein: Schools are just too painful for too many kids.
Monica D'Amore: You mentioned inequity - what of the students in poor urban schools? Is the digital divide going to expand exponentially? Where will these kids find themselves in 10 years?
dlaufenberg: @jonbecker you're going to get kicked out with antics like that. young man.
Gene McCracken: Schooling and learning used to be almost synomous - schools and learning are beginning to lose the overlap in the Venn diagram.....
Drew Smith: The kids will learn whether it is in the schools or not
Jon Becker: @dlaufenberg - no chance; I'm the mayor of WillRich's ponytail
Susan-Chinquapin: Real life long learning is what's happening.
Becky Fisher: Interesting point, Gene...how to increase the overlap
jackiegerstein: Institutions for socializtion?? Some teachers don't let kids talk/collaborate during class time
Todd Williamson: @Becky I would think many online courses currently are...still not a model many are "stepping out" within...despite the transition to online learning spaces
KerryJ-Education.au: @Todd - too true!
Bron: Hiya Kerry
KerryJ-Education.au: Hey Bron!
leonard waks: Will: will you share that list of blockages to change on your blog??
Drew Smith: He's got a google doc with it in the buzz/twitter feed
Paula: Yes, Will, please. Thansk for asking for it, Leonard!
Moderator (Will Richardson):
Luana Zellner: Monica brought up a good point, where will our kids from poor urban and poor rural communities be in 10 years? This is a major concern
dlaufenberg: we are further entrenching the 'school' role in communities, I'm curious what will be the impetus for the change. b/c right now the change is all about more control and standardization.
Moderator (Will Richardson): The list of barriers:
kyteacher: @Gene @Becky Interesting.
Paula Naugle: I remember when everyone thought TV would ruin my generation.
Drew Smith: It killed the radio star...
Paula Naugle: LOL
Susan-Chinquapin: "High schools are in trouble."
kyteacher: @Paula ...as it has.
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): Funny, Larry Cuban would point out that as Radio and television came out, folks said something similar... Well that is it... schools are dead. Folks can just learn via the radio or television or computer or ipod or whatever
CalArmstrong: Paula... it did if you still had to live in their generation
Luana Zellner: I agree with Monica, just where will our students from poor urban AND rural communities be in 10 years?
KerryJ-Education.au: Barriers in Australia -
catherine mcmahon: i think the change needs to begin in the elementary level.
aforgrave (Andrew): @Scott Cloud -- the impact of television (and now electronic media) has been capturing attention from schooling ...
Susan-Chinquapin: What is the reality behind the assumption that poor kids don't have access? Rural, maybe.
Gene McCracken: Yes - biggest problem is at HS. Once access to college is no longer the monopoly of HS, high schools will start to de-populate.....
Greg Thompson (@akamrt): How can we expect the paradigm to shift when Schools of Education are still not conducting their programs in an immersive environment. Recent graduates of teacher ed programs have indicated that technology was not a ubiquitous experience in many of their courses. How can we expect the current culture to change when those entering it are conditioned/educated to perpetuate the status quo?
James: Our third grade is moving toward a small group conference model of teaching reading and writing.
Paula Naugle: @catherine I agree. Start in elem and ripple out.
Paula: @catherine--and teachers need to lie it and lead it as well
Drew Smith: Because the schools are still similar to what they went through so they must be okay right?
Shawn Allen: There seems to be a barrier to me accessing the barrier list...permission isn't granted.
djakes: @drew. Exactly
Paula: @catherine--LIVE it
Bron: Ask Jackie G about how much technology her kids were able to use in grade 5.
jackiegerstein: Thx Bron - yes they rocked it!
barbaram: Just asked for permission for the barrier list
catherine mcmahon: @Paula-you're right. That's where the biggest block is in learning.
jruggiano: What about the importance of nurturing? How could the human touch just be replaced?
Becky Fisher: Somebody has got to change - pointing fingers to the level below or above you isn't going to change what kids do in school.
leonard waks: Well, Duncan doesn't have a clue.
aforgrave (Andrew): What about the historic 20th century role of schools in "taking care of adolescents" 'til they become adults ...
kyteacher: @Drew Yes.
Diane K: in our district, the elementary school has always shifted but the middle school and high school has maintained the status quo. Frustrating.
Matthew Valia - NYC: Great point Greg. Administration training programs as well. Some institutions technology training is not a requirement.
Paula: My 3rd graders are rocking it right now--building wikis and blogging!
Becky Fisher: Make the Google Doc publically available, please
Susan-Chinquapin: "Affiliate with the people you find interesting." PLNs!
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): @aforgrave agreed. I work in online education. But the thought that schools are on the way out because of technology as been around for a while. Cuban's book Oversold and Underused has a good look at this history.
CalArmstrong: Paula... What happens to them in 4th grade?
Derek Leslie: I teach middle school ... often feels like the lost years for so many of my brightest students.
Drew Smith: Would parents value education organized around affinity groups?
ColetteC: The pedagocial shift needs to begin from the top down to really make significant change
KerryJ-Education.au: Prob is that OECD and national leaderboards force schools to teach to tests.
Kevin Jarrett: @Drew - I doubt it.
Bron: yes young kids like your Paula with a visionary teacher eat it up
jenksbyjenks: re: the urban/rural issue, I'm in three schools in NYC, and the issue is not as much one of access as it is a lack of understanding about what information to trust, how to find it, etc etc. It's a media literacy issue, not an access one, IMHO.
Drew Smith: @Kevin - afraid you're right
Todd Williamson: @Derek gotta love the middle...it's a huge challenge to keep them from being "lost years"
CelineRC: @james - small group conference model of teaching... Do you document, comment this transition as it occurs?
Stephanie Anderson: the difference between elementary and middle or HS when it is time available with the kids and pressure to teach to the state standards and the textbooks.
barbaram: I think young kids eat it up
Paula Naugle: If they were in my 4th grade the bllogging and collaborative wiki building would continue.
Susan-Chinquapin: "Kids are living a really schizophrenic life right now."
Derek Leslie: @robin : Is change going to be grassroots or a top-down mandate from the Feds?
djakes: School is now only one node in our kids learning.
kyteacher: My high schoolers eat it up too.
jackiegerstein: Asking kids to power off when they enter the school building is absolutely ridiculous!'
James: @Paula blogs and wikis are great ways to individualize and personalize learning.
Paula: 4th graders are working on them at home, and the teacher slead a before school fantasy football league.
leonard waks: On Cuban: I think he is in for a very big surprise. He's 75, but i would not be surprised for him to live to see big deal change.
Jon Becker: if kids spend 7.5 hours consuming digital media, do we want schooling time to add to that?
ColetteC: Frank Smith says in his book "The Book of Learning and Forgetting" that we learn from the company we keep. Creating an "apprentice type" learning environment will give kids an opportunity to learn by doing and from each other - like they already do outside of school
Diane K: teaching to the standards is across the board. That is the excuse I hear as a reason not to change at all levels.
Susan-Chinquapin: "Bandwidth of learning" an interesting metaphor.
aforgrave (Andrew): @Derek Leslie -- for years, I've thought that middle schoolers should go to camp for a couple years while they deal with adolescence ...
mbteach (Mary Beth): @jenksbyjenks yes. They consume media but don't have the skills to understand/sift through it. re: access. Many students don't have access to a computer and/or internet at home or on the weekends. (I teach in inner city in Philly)
Gene McCracken: Love the reference to "learning and forgetting"!!
Todd Williamson: @aforgrave Sign me up to teach that camp then
Drew Smith: I'll be there Todd
Paula Naugle: @atorgave I used to think that too.
catherine mcmahon: My 4K students are currently working on a voice thread project to document the igloo that they are making. Very exciting.
Matthew Valia - NYC: As IS339 principal Jason Levy said, "technology is like air to our students. Would we take air away from them?" In reference to banning technology from students.
Stephanie Anderson: I am not saying that it is a reason not to change- I think that the lack of time and the pressure to teach out of the text books is a barrier for many teachers
leonard waks: Homeschool and charter school growing rapidly. Now there is a 'right to exit' schools.
Derek Leslie: @andrew ... middle schoolers ar interesting and fun. I would love to have more personalized experiences for them in and out of the classroom.
Susan-Chinquapin: Yes! Technology is democratizing us!
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): I wonder how many parents can really afford to provide in home supervision for homeschooling.
jackiegerstein: This is a great follow up to the live discussion with Alfie Kohn earlier today - Archive fr the Alfie Kohn Live Conversation today
It was amazing
Paula: Yes, Paula, as does the collaborative attitude of the teacher.
Susan-Chinquapin: Yes, yes the divide is falling!
aforgrave (Andrew): @Tood Williamson @Drew Smith Doesn't it make sense at that stage of development?
KerryJ-Education.au: But without training teachers you end up with kids on computers copying and pasting into PowerPoint
jenksbyjenks: @mbteach ~ I agree. (and @Matthew, I'm the tech coach at IS 339). We're seeing kids accessing the Internet on phones more than on desktops, on weekends/after school.
Folmerica: Democratizing can be a good or bad thing, depending on who gets heard.
Luana Zellner: My experience is with school technology departments putting up firewalls that limit teacher and student use of social networking and access to the internet. This practice is frustrating to teachers who want to provide their students with a global perspective
ColetteC: @Kerry - I agree - its about learning how to use technology to support REAL learning
Paula Naugle: @jackie It has been interesting to be part of both of these sessions today.
KerryJ-Education.au: Is this book available as an e-book?
Drew Smith: Pew Research study just came out showing the mobile use of the web is to eclipse desktop in the next decade - or sooner
leonard waks: Every node on the web is a "pair" of person and machine. The machines are all going to be more or less = in the web access, so the serious divide will be on the person side of the pair
djakes: @drew. Have a link?
jackiegerstein: @Paula - it has been great - hasn't it?
Folmerica: Firewalls are a big issue, especially when we want to treat students as "responsible learners" at the high school level
Kim Sivick: IHow can we prepare the parents? We need their support.
Susan-Chinquapin: When is the irrelevancy factor going to hit the fan, so to speak?
Kevin Jarrett: I will have a crop o fpre-service teachers visiting my classroom later this month - local college brings 'em over regularly!
Bron: The duty of care excuse does not fly - it is our duty to give kids a place to learn social networking eyc in safe and supportive environment
tom fullerton: higher ed seriously reconsidering the way in which they offer programs
Stephanie Anderson: The tech department in my district does a lot to frustrate teachers and deny access to the students
Kevin Jarrett: It's AMAZING to me how FAR BEHIND these people are WRT edtech!
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): James Madison University has talked to us about developing training for teachers who work online.
KerryJ-Education.au: @Bron but it DOES fly for politicians and administrators -
tom fullerton: pre-service teacher programs, ... ?
Paula: @catherine LOL Igloo making is very appropro this winter in the east!
KerryJ-Education.au: Queensland government told educators they cannot interact with kids on social networks
Wendy Eiteljorg: good areticle in Harper's recently about Teach for America's data on teachers they hire and how their students do in class.
Marcia Volpe: firewalls adn the policies around them are our biggest obstacle
leonard waks: Starting in 1997 I offered a course at Temple's Ed school on Education in Global Network Society. Except for the Instructional Design students, couldn't get any program to allow students to take it. It was "irrelevant"
Drew Smith: Link for the Pew Study findings:
aforgrave (Andrew): @drew @djakes Apple just re-framed themselves as a "mobile" company, based on what they're selling
Jon Becker: "slower than it probably needs to be" - understatement of the night
dotty myers: Teach for America teachers lack the training to be prepared for today's students. I still think the traditional credential programs are better.
Kevin Jarrett: @wendy - URL?
Susan-Chinquapin: The article on good teachers was in the Atlantic!
Bron: Inservice PD is MORE IMPORTANT the pre-service. Research show that pre-service teachers are really not change agents
Andrea Blanco: I agree that the pace of higher ed is slower. It is harder to get higher ed to change to a culture of social technology than my school district. Struggling with course designers right now for new ed tech masters program
Derek Leslie: Doesn't each higher ed pre-service program have its own unique approach?
jenksbyjenks: In my experience with a TFA grad program, it did not respond to tech in any kind of way. TFA's great with assessment, not so much with learning + creativity.
ColetteC: Peer teaching or mentor teaching in more effective than group PD
James: Top-down=What gets tested gets taught. How does testing fit into this rethinking?
Todd Williamson: @Bron but if the only things pre-service teachers are getting is "traditional classroom" experience that increases the amount of inservice that needs to happen to get them ready
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): If technology will destroy traditional schools, won't they also (by extension) destroy higher ed at a similar rate?
Susan-Chinquapin: Testing is becoming irrelevant.
Gene McCracken: I spent the day in PD - not real hopeful from that experience.
Stephanie Anderson: I was called in to speak at a TFA class for English- ways to integrate tech into English lessons- that is all that those TFA students got.
leonard waks: I'd rather see it on the backs of the kids than having the ed profs I know take responsibility for it.
Rosanne: Have to help teachers become more purposeful instead of following scripted programs.
Drew Smith: We want them to choose learning with their digital time don't we?
djakes: @robin ellis: My question: I'd like to ask the two authors what they think about school change, and how an established school, with its climate and culture already in place, take the first several steps towards redefining learning with the affordances of technology. What are the first things schools should consider?
Nancy: Traditional or high tech, strong pedagogical philosophy is the foundation for teacher success.
Deb Kitchener: @scottmcleod perhaps yes but shouldn't the change be universal?
Christian Long: Are we -- as adults still making sense of the 'shift' into a more-and-more digital world -- overthinking the number of hours a student spends with digital devices?
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): Actually, I am not Scott Mcleod....
Drew Smith: "You've just unlocked the passing 8th Grade Achievement"
Becky Fisher: Avatar = portfolio?
KerryJ-Education.au: @Susan testing is more relevant here in Australia due tohttp://myschool.edu.au/ a site that compares schools' test scores
Susan-Chinquapin: But what about our multiple identities online? How does anyone see how it all comes together?
hshawjr: The real reason is the lack of control and loss of power by the schools and educational systems that this idea would require
Luana Zellner: @Folmerica, I agree, we can't expect our students to develop into responsible learners (high school level) unless we give them that opportunity.
Bron: @Todd - yes very true. Academia cannot teacher what it doesn't practice
James: @Susan-Chinquapin Politican decision-makers don't think it's becoming irrelevant. ie. NCLB, RT3
aforgrave (Andrew): @Drew Smith -- nice.
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): McLeod: higer ed professor. Me: Online School assistanct principal.
mbteach (Mary Beth): @Becky that's what I was thinking. Sounds like a digital portfolio that follows the student
leonard waks: No kid wants to have his school life, parents, friends all mixed up in one site. The problem is that they have no more personal spaces of their own. Let's not try to capture their speaces for our needs.
Folmerica: @Zellner - rules, not restrictions
Deb Kitchener: @djakes good question....
dotty myers: i spent a 5th year after my BA in a credential program in addition to 4 years for special ed training. Now I see TFA teachers being put in special ed classrooms afte 5 weeks of training. this is a slap in the face to those of us who spent years mastering our trade.
Todd Williamson: @mbteach @Becky I love the idea of that kind of portfolio and "challenges" that must be met in some fashion before moving on to "new levels"
Bron: totally agree Leaonard - lets not appropriate their spaces
Kevin Jarrett: @leonard - great point
kyteacher: @Leonard I agree. We can use similar tools, but still allow students personal space.
Drew Smith: Does this portend more districts going Google Enterprise and the account follows the kid K-12?
Nancy: It's not at all clear we want kids to be actively engaged period. Once we get past that hurdle, the digital world is a no brainer.
Stephanie Anderson: I have a lot of kids that are reading Call of the Wild on their Iphones- but technically they are breaking school rules.
Susan-Chinquapin: What do schools do best?
barbaram: Who pays for this?
KerryJ-Education.au: So is this book available as an e-book?
Paula: We send home iPod touches with Discovery Learnign vidoes and LOTS of ed apps on them
Deb Kitchener: @scott cloud oops apologies!
Stephanie Anderson: Our school is no phones, no hand helds, they are not even allowed to use USB keys
jackiegerstein: The new technologies has advanced my learning - Why don't we think it would do the same for kids?
dotty myers: Would you go to a doctor with only 5 weeks of training after graduating from college. Why should our students be put in this position with teachers.
Susan-Chinquapin: What about the affinity of someone in the room to guide you?
Todd Williamson: @stephanie...wow...just wow
Stephanie Anderson: how do you battle that??
mbteach (Mary Beth): can't wait to hear the response to this question!
Todd Williamson: @stephanie by changing districts?
Paula Naugle: @kj Here is the link to the article about Teach for America in The Atlantic
Folmerica: I have kids using school provided netbooks (about a dozen) in combination with their own iPod Touch (school does give them internet access) to do research and collaborate
leonard waks: The first steps for schools are becoming blended environments with a list of on-line courses to supplement their core offerings.
Paula: @Jackie--good point
Kevin Jarrett: @stephanie - what does your curriculum call for in re: uuse of those tools? I'd start there...
jackiegerstein: @Paula thx
leonard waks: The next logical step would be trandformation to learning centers.
Kevin Jarrett: @Paula Thx!
Drew Smith: Web-based apps seem to be an answer here.
Kim Sivick: bottom line for my parent group..how will increasing use of technology in the classroom support and improve college admissions?
Susan-Chinquapin: But this is a curriculum question?
Megan: teaching kids to think with math would be great
Stephanie Anderson: Kevin- not sure what you mean...
Andrea Blanco: I think our teaching about math has become a lot more concept based...
Luana Zellner: @Tom Fullerton, I will have to say Sam Houston State is making a big effort to get their professors and students on board with utilizing Web 2.0 tools for expanding their learning and research. It is working! I am excited about the variety of tech tools professors are utilizing.
Bron: Its about dispositions not facts
Megan: how about teaching computer science?
jackiegerstein: Learning with all of the emerging technologies is just plain fun!
dlaufenberg: i think that the best use of school time is for collaboration, discussion, debate, sharing... instead of quiet, rows, conformity.
Susan-Chinquapin: What about math literacy?
Tod Baker: Designing learning spaces that lend themselves to the skills we want to learn is important.
Cmeulstee: we are working hard to teach kids to think about math vs. just producing, but getting parent resistance
Megan: whatever happened to LOGO?
Kevin Jarrett: @stepanie Curriculum 1st, Technology 2nd
kyteacher: I know that my admin wants to make changes...she doesn't know where to start and, unfortunately, spends a good part of her day dealing with students who have used technology )cell phones, social netoworking) inappropriately. Makes it hard for her to take the leap...
Matthew Valia - NYC: dotty - If these TFA students come in and are assigned a mentor, won't that hands-on training they experience after a year equal the training of a traditional program?
Becky Fisher: Math is taught as a dead subject - as if all problems have already been solved and answered in the back of a book some where
Christian Long: Why do we 'make' -- heck, 'allow' -- 1st year teachers actually run a classroom of their own? Why not see early stage teachers as having 'limited' impact early on, allowing them to be mentored and become 'research'-centric on behalf of their schools when they first arrive? What other industry employs 1st year employees (i.e. right out of college) into truly effective roles with real 'client' interaction right away (unless they are truly exceptional)?
Paula: my kids compared an iPod app (Math Tricks) multiplying 2 digt squares to the same formula on wolfram Alpha to figure out why the "trick" worked
leonard waks: Becky: right. To make it another dead subject like parts of a frog.
Linda Nitsche: School time should maximize the face to face contact- discussion, collaboration, problem solving, not just knowledge getting
dotty myers: Our district is no phone, ipods, mp3 players, PSP, and other devices. Kids can't even stay ontask in computer lab. they are surfing the net, going on Myspace, itunes and not doing he assigned work.
kyteacher: She does, however, allow me to experiment.
Megan: how about teaching thinking>
barbaram: I would argue that we are teaching media literacies and using the web!
Susan-Chinquapin: @ Becky -- I agree.
Stephanie Anderson: Ah! Our API went down this year (ironically we were named a California Distinguished school this year too) so our mandate is make their scores go up and use the textbooks.
Stephanie Anderson: the focuse is not on technology integration for improvement and differentiation.
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): How would work with students who no internet at home?
Rosanne: right! @Megan agree totally
Susan-Chinquapin: Whispering in class is a back channel.
Gene McCracken: The NPR math guy says why study algebra? So you can do formulas in excel - math reasoning is necessary to do spreaqdsheets.
ColetteC: How to critically evaluate information - synthesize it - and then share their understanding in a meaningful way should always be our goal - no matter what the subject area
Becky Fisher: logo is still around -
Ed Allen 1: moodle?
Todd Williamson: Edmodo
KerryJ-Education.au: Moodle doesn't have a status system
Susan-Chinquapin: What is beyond Moodle?
dlaufenberg: I also think that we need to move in a direction that helps students know how to assess their own work, analyze their own effectiveness at accomplishing a task
Drew Smith: Why not Ning instead of Moodle?
KerryJ-Education.au: Ning is messy
Stephanie Anderson: Many of these widely available tools are blocked for us.
Gene McCracken: Just noticed we broke 100 participants!!! now to 99.....
Bron: Here's a funny one - a district is joining the Quest Atlantis VW because there is no money for text books. YAY!
dlaufenberg: i heart moodle.
Susan-Chinquapin: Moodle is more organized.
Becky Fisher: Access is key - achievement gap may mirror access gap
JimW: someone writ a module for moodle it is open source
KerryJ-Education.au: WOOOT @Bron!
Wendy Eiteljorg: ning also has age minimums
Susan-Chinquapin: I wish my faculty would heart moodle.
Folmerica: Kids get Ning, its just like facebook
djakes: Ning to shallow in regards to capability and has no development community behind it thats open
leonard waks: How does Apple credentialize learning? By certificate exams. Not by hours of attendence
mbteach (Mary Beth): @Susan @Kerry Moodle or Edmodo!
jackiegerstein: @Drew I use Ning for a major part of our LMS for a pre-service teacher course.
Todd Williamson: Drew...schools scared of COPPA/CIPA and Ning...Moodle is a closed environment
Bron: Certification for whom?
Susan-Chinquapin: But the certification is a moving target? What are our standards for teachers?
Luana Zellner: I love the idea of a learning management system. Right now I use eCollege (college level). Moodle is a fantastic tool!. I see more school districts in Texas utilizing this vehicle for management.
ColetteC: Non traditional learning can be showcased with portfolios
Diane K: Social Educational Network Saywire
leonard waks: Yes learning centers!!
Paula: @dotty myers--your admins need ot see what my elem kids do on their wikis at home UNASSIGNED
dlaufenberg: how about the nerd merit badges
Susan-Chinquapin: Certification for your personal learning network?
KerryJ-Education.au: @mbteach haven't used edmodo - like Moodle because I work in virtual worlds and SLOODLE creates a bridge
jenksbyjenks: @dlaufenberg ~ awesome.
Drew Smith: My former students come back to me complaining about Moodle but love Facebook, Ning feels like meeting them in the middle.
kyteacher: I use Ning for most of our class needs. Students love it...and it is flexible.
JimW: Students learn in their own way at a speed that works for them
Ed Allen 1: how would that be assessed?
Paula: The targets shouldn't be moving to get the certifications.
Todd Williamson: KerryJ love that Edmodo has most of what I need built in...I'd spend too long setting up all the bells and whistles of a Moodle course
Folmerica: @kyteacher I agree completely!
Diane K: @Drew Smith--Saywire similar to facebook
Andrea Blanco: how is certifications different than a grading system?
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): Creditialize that! THAT is critical. That is the next big revolution I think. Certifications by third parties. Schools have the monopoly on that now. I see outsided organizations appearing soon to do just this.
JimW: kid could learn from each other
Jerelyne (@jneman): @paula Are any of your students work public so I could show others?
Susan-Chinquapin: What about teacher certifications? When the kids are ahead of them?
Andrea Blanco: certifications= project based learning?
jackiegerstein: Yes @Drew - my pre-service teachers - many in the 18-21 group do "get" NING
tom fullerton: @Luana Zellner Good to hear - can you send a link to your program?
aforgrave (Andrew): @Kim Sivick -- I wonder if, over time, the parents might see beyond college admissions to "what kids can do with their lives when they finish school" ?
KerryJ-Education.au: @Todd that's great, whatever works for you and your learners! : ) I work in OpenSIm and SecondLife so Moodle works for us.
Paula: Someone wrote the other day kids should graduate with a resume rather than a diploma--I LIKE that idea! Was that you , Wiil?
Susan-Chinquapin: I'm going to dig out my girl scout badges. Indian Lore, etc.
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): In other words, you could "test out" to show that you have certain skills/knowledge.
leonard waks: The entire tech industry relies on informal checking and word of mouth recommendations. Knowledge moves too fast to "certify"
KerryJ-Education.au: @Paula - that's an awesome concept - eportfolios that are useful!
jackiegerstein: @Paula - kids should graduate with a professional e-Portfolio
Andrea Blanco: AGREE @jackie!
Stephanie Anderson: YES! Change the ways we assess!
KerryJ-Education.au: @jackiegerstein - SNAP
kyteacher: @jackie @Paula I agree.
leonard waks: e-portfolios and resumes.
mbteach (Mary Beth): All of this sounds like teachers and admins need to open for taking risks and trying new things that may fail
JimW: learning would be more efficient and students would be learning what is useful to them at the time
Susan-Chinquapin: I agree -- "knowlege moves too fast to certify."
hshawjr: Gee sounds a lot like Regents External degree program that I completed through Regents University
bcdtech(Maureen): Certified in what?
Christian Long: @paula: I love the idea that kids would graduate with a "resume" but at the end of the day schools have to figure out a) how to maintain a diploma (et al) and b) make that diploma (and process of getting it) relevant to the learners and those who need it as a way of guaging the value of the graduate's abilities.
jackiegerstein: What site did he just say?
Drew Smith: Don't we finally have the web-based technology now for portfolios to exist that both link to standards and follow our students?
Paula Naugle: @jackie I agree an ePortfolio is a better way to see what a graduate can do than a diploma is.
Bron: Nicole Pinkard
KerryJ-Education.au: But again - if funding and teacher salaries are tied to test results - guess what's gonna happen to anything that can't/doesn't easily feed into national and international assessments???
mbteach (Mary Beth): @Christian and who hosts the portfolio? What do we do when a site goes down/disappears?
leonard waks: The purpose of the diploma was to distinguish the holdefrs from others. Now that we aim at 100% HS graduation, the diploma doesn't distinguish anything, and many grads can't read.
Matthew Valia - NYC: Dotty -A traditional teacher only gets a few semesters of hands-on, in-classroom training. A well-screened, bright alternate certification teacher could catch up after a year with a mentor. The kids who have that teacher in his or her first year suffer though. But after a few years, that teacher - if they stay on board, will be just as effective.
Moderator (Will Richardson): Youmedia
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): a high school diplima is just a certification that says a person has a certain basket of skills. We need organizations that will break that down and say that Johnny knows how to use adverbs and he knows fractions, etc....
tom fullerton: demonstration of competency - Québec curriculum tried for this - very difficult implementation
Paula: I recently asked a couple of fifth graders what they would put on their fifth grade resume. Thier insights were amazing.
leonard waks: diploma does NOT say anything about skills.
Christian Long: @paula: Reminds me of the Hyde Schools (Maine and Connecticut) where there are 2, if not 3, levels of diplomas. The 'least' important one to all grads and the faculty is the 'academic' diploma. The other(s) are based on being a 'member' of the community and the 'personal growth' of every graduate. The standards for the higher level diplomas are much more rigorous. Kids actually graduate, go to college, and 'come back' to earn the higher diploma(s). Always fascinated me!
KerryJ-Education.au: @mbteach Ideally a portfolio would be a framework - learners can choose their own mediums/tools/sites and that would feed back in
Bron: certification is still externally imposed
djakes: portfolio = blog
Susan-Chinquapin: But the consequential work needs to have professionals in the room.
Greg Thompson (@akamrt): @Matthew V: All teachers should begin "student teaching" from the first months they are in the program and it should continue the full length of their pre-service education.
Christian Long: @Will R: Isn't this what -- on some level -- homeschooling kids do already?
laurie toll: portfolio=blog=assessment!
Kim Sivick: @Andrew It would be a beautiful thing indeed if parents looked at their kids lives and not who/what institution they are associated with. Do away with those dreaded car stickers.
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): Why would I as an employeer trust something that could be purchased online?
Matthew Valia - NYC: Hi Sandy!
catherine mcmahon: People are hired by their portfolios in the business and art world.
tom fullerton: jon mott's presentation at EDUCAUSE is worth watching regarding ownership of learning in a portfolio and challenge of accreditation
djakes: Facebook way too social for that
roblyons: is reigning in a student's online presence through Netvibes too much to expect? re: portfolios?
Todd Williamson: YIKES....haha imagine some of our kids current Facebook pages as part of their portfolio/resume
kyteacher: @djakes Essentially...but it could include other sorts of items as well (don't ask what yet...I'm still thinking)
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): linkedin is a bit better for resumes
ColetteC: portfolio + mentor guidance + reflective practice
Christian Long: @Will R: Ultimately there are plenty of indivivual kids who can walk their own 'path' and build/network/defend their own 'online portfolio' (or other similar element)...but the key is whether the masses will follow. And how this will be evaluated by universities and hiring teams.
djakes: I think a blog is a much better venue for that.
Susan-Chinquapin: Facebook is just one aspect of your real digital portfolio
jackiegerstein: Randy Nelson from Pixar stated that he wants wants the proof of a portfolio rather than the promise of a resume - see Edutopia talk
leonard waks: We don't want to colonize kid's facebook spaces with our needs, like certification.
mbteach (Mary Beth): @djakes love the idea of kids keeping a blog. It stays the same (host wise) over the years
Todd Williamson: although I know there's an argument that their Facebook pages already ARE part of their resume/portfolio
Paula Naugle: @djakes A wiki + a blog could work.
Christian Long: Are we chasing the wrong rabbit in over-using the mention of Facebook as the 'way forward'?
Bron: Who would want FB as their portfolio? But is an aspect of identity - quite diff
Drew Smith: Still think the portfolio thing is great but it will freak the core knowledge/standards people out too much.
aforgrave (Andrew): @Christian Long -- wondering "why? schools need to maintain diploma ..." it's an old-school paper approval
KerryJ-Education.au: Building creepy treehouses doesn't work
Susan-Chinquapin: How to we create a gallery that is not dead?
Tod Baker: Portfolios need to be workspaces not showcases.
mbteach (Mary Beth): like taking AP classes & coming into college with college credits
Becky Fisher: Portfolio of what? Why? How?
Christian Long: The key -- architecture/design -- is not only the 'portfolio' itself, but also the 'defense' of the portfolio. We need to teach kids/grads to 'defend' the portfolio, not just create one.
trantham: interviewing for a position this week, already reviewed facebook and sevral other social media as part of the process
leonard waks: Teacher Ede Programs. No One Cares about Them, Period
catherine mcmahon: @Tod exactly
Todd Williamson: @mbteach only problem with blogs are the constraints of hosting...easier to host through someone else (for those getting started) but then harder to "travel" with a student
kyteacher: @Paula @djakes Like blog + wiki Still thinking...
Greg Thompson (@akamrt): @Christian Long, maybe, but because it is such an integrated reality for kids today we need to let it inform the discussion
djakes: At Educon, kids in the session thought Google was their portfolio.
Nancy: Kids want separation between their social lives (ie. FB) and theri academic lives.
Andrea Blanco: Exactly! I help teach portfolio classess at a University and they are never even looked at. No authentic audience. Blogging might work better!
Kim Sivick: portfolios are often extremely specialized..do we want to pigeon hole teenagers?
ColetteC: i like the refletive practice in the portfolio - the process of learning how you learn is really important for the person making the portfolio --- not the larger audience
Christian Long: We also need to help kids build professional networks of mentors that allow them to 'move forward' in connection with or to challenge the frame of the typical schooling experience.
Paula Naugle: @Todd There are different kinds of portfolios. Some are works in progress and some are showcase.
ehelfant: clemson and alverno college now have undergrad portfolios required for graduations- skills based
Linda Nitsche: So if the audience is a college admissions staff, how can we change that?
jackiegerstein: yes Helen Barrett argues that portfolios are often used for accountability rather than for reflective practice
Greg Thompson (@akamrt): Do students see a dividing line between their social lives and their learning lives?
jenksbyjenks: @Christian/djakes, agree on the facebook thing. Really unclear on the enthusiasm for Facebook (which I actually think is on its way out); I get wikis more than I do social networking. Social networks as portfolios don't take advantage of the thing social networks are good at.
leonard waks: Audience and authenticity essential to portfolio program. Right. But colleges are audiences. Employers are audiences.
mbteach (Mary Beth): @Todd W but if the URL stays the same (i.e. Blogger) why can't it travel?
Christian Long: @aforgrave (Andrew): schools need to maintain it to maintain their own legitimacy.
Susan-Chinquapin: "Individuals negotiate their own learning experience.... But parents are too busy, so that's why we need teachers!
Paula: YOU certainly can tell a lot aobut a perons and their ability to think, reason and solve (and raise) issues through a blog. I agree, @djakes
bcdtech(Maureen): The no one cares piece re portfolios- who really cares about your geography project? Authentic learning is a process, not a product
trantham: to a certain extent, a student's web presence is there portfolio
Linda Nitsche: If businesses look for the diploma- how do we change their perception?
Kevin Jarrett: Any portfolio system needs to be as easy and crazy sexy cool as
- our middle school kids are CRAZY for that site!
Christian Long: @Greg: Agreed.
KerryJ-Education.au: Parents are products of traditional education models - are they ready to make informed contributions and to home school?
Judy O from PA: Colleges/Universities have to change their acceptance system if schools are going to change their assessment and "credential" system
desjkol: relying on parents neglects the reality of many students-esp. many at-risk learners.
leonard waks: If no one cares about your geography projec t then it is either busy work or just a prep exercise for something someone DOES care about
aforgrave (Andrew): Diplomas and grades are the current currency of education. Colleges and employers historically work off the "paper" that represents the learning. Easier to compare, transact with than assessing value of each individual.
Todd Williamson: @mbteach...I'm thinking Edublogs with my current students...for ad-free, set up under my account...but I suppose those could be moved teacher to teacher...hmmm, grrr, got me thinking now (must find someone in 8th grade to continue their blogs from this year)
Bron: My social netwprks say a lot about who I am and where i stand in my practice - as such SNs are an important component of identity, aspect of protfolio but I would hate to see them as the portfolio
Judy O from PA: @desjkol- I agree
Christian Long: @jeksbyjenks: I doubt that any specific tool (Wiki vs. FB vs. whatever) is the point. We have to shift mindset to how to build/defend a collection of learning and execution, both successes and misses, and then to integrate them within a professional network of mentors. If we can frame that and guide that, then we 'teacher' types will remain relevant in this era of shift.
kyteacher: @leonard Sometimes that prep work is necessary to help you make connections
jackiegerstein: That fits Ito and Boyd's research that adults in these networks become the experts
Luana Zellner: @Folmerica, I agree, rules and expectations established first.
jackiegerstein: to help the novices- younger folks
ColetteC: Portfolios made with Google Apps for Education Sites could be transferred to Google Sites when they leave school
leonard waks: kyteacher: I'm all for prep work. But it has to be prep for something.
KerryJ-Education.au: @Bron I don't think they could stand as one alone - something like a lifestream that aggregates what you do daily is too transient and complex to act as a portfolio
Drew Smith: Testify Rich!
kyteacher: @leonard Then we agree
Bron: @Kerry J - totally agree
ehelfant: words portfolio and rubric have so much baggage attached to them
leonard waks: kyteacher: problem is, it's all busywork.
KerryJ-Education.au: But Warcraft is ultimately about memorisation
aforgrave (Andrew): @Christian Long -- self-interest then, rather than valuing what their learners can do ..
leonard waks: Let's get the prep activities related to something someone does care about.
Becky Fisher: What if we coupled a tech-enabled portfolio with engaging work? See
Todd Williamson: Anyone see the numbers on how many folks pass Level 10 on WoW? Parallel with success in schools/learning?
AdrianC: warcraft is about memorization?????
Christian Long: @Kevin J: Nice link -- wix! Digging it. Do you have free or premium access?
Peter: Is it a representation of self or of your learning to date? There's some other really good learning in WOW.
Bron: My portfolio is online in the myriad of places that I engage
Christian Long: And what is it used for w/ your MS kids?
Kevin Jarrett: @christian - free.
mbteach (Mary Beth): @Kerry it will be so important to get parents on board first with these kinds of huge changes
kyteacher: Hmm...still thinking. Love that I have 7 kiddos at the end of the day with whom I can experiment. We may start setting up ePortfolios as soon as the snow melts.
ColetteC: Next generation learning environment = learning from the company you keep
KerryJ-Education.au: @AdrianC yes. In the dungeons people memorise how to do them most effectively to get thru them faster
roblyons: @colletteC why convert? Will alumni lose access? I think that is the beauty of Apps for Ed. A continued connection to alumni
desjkol: a good portfolio has a strong metacognitive element -challenging to assess
Christian Long: @aforgrave: any system or org keeps its own survivability at the forefront.
AdrianC: @Kerry have you played WoW?
KerryJ-Education.au: @AdrianC people who don't memorise the dungeons get abused by other players for not being prepared
dotty myers: We should start portfolios in Kinder. I kept work samples of my children. Make cum files electronic with work samples.
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): Florida Virtual School has an interesting online game/U.S. History course. It is not MMORG, but still interesting.
Kevin Jarrett: @Christian - kids go APE on that site. They NEED real DESIGN knowledge but the UI is SO INCREDIBLY simple....
KerryJ-Education.au: @Adrian I'm a level 80
Gene McCracken: I first heard Will Richardson about 18 months ago. I think his vision was that kids would be able to develop theri own personal learning network using technology. Is WOW a PLN?
Peter: What about the ability to organize in groups without regard to age?
mbteach (Mary Beth): @Todd can't they download/export their blog content to transfer it once they go HS? Or what if school invested in the Edublogs Campus?
AdrianC: @Kerry fair enough - still don't agree - much deeper learning taking place then just memorization
Christian Long: @Kevin J: OK, they love it; got it. But what do you literally use it for in the MS cr?
dlaufenberg: the role that school plays in society is more than just about learning. we need to remember the different roles that having children report to school, serves.
ColetteC: @roblyons - only if Google Apps makes improvements to the organization of Sites - getting messy with so many sites - only option is tags
KerryJ-Education.au: @AdrianC I'm not saying that is all - but it is a big part of it
Susan-Chinquapin: Hmmm...how to teach how to create a team?
KerryJ-Education.au: @AdrianC and that needs to be kept in mind when extolling its virtues
Todd Williamson: @mbteach Very possible...I need to explore that option...district/school not ready for Campus investment yet
Bron: Portfolio is one artefact of identity - lots of others to be considered
AdrianC: @Kerry true
Stephanie Anderson: e portfolios would be great- they would need to be simple enough to pass from teacher to teacher
mbteach (Mary Beth): my BF laughs about the networking I do on Twitter. He's been doing it on his XBox live for almost 10 years!
Tod Baker: Going to spend Fri night with science and math teachers playing WOW.
leonard waks: My kid was such a great gamer that he flunked out of middle school.
mbteach (Mary Beth): @ColetteC good idea (Google Sites)
Christian Long: @Stephanie: We need to teach kids to create their own portfolios, not necessarily create one that can 'shift' from teacher to teacher. The key is individula kid 'ownership' not school-generic approaches.
Kevin Jarrett: @christian - I use Wix.com w/my after-school media club but some ILA teachers have had kids build entire sites about books they are reading - some are very elaborate!
KerryJ-Education.au: @Leonard waks or did Middle School fail him?
roblyons: @colette agree re:tags and can see your point
Christian Long: @Kevin J: Can you pass a link or three to me later that show specific (average to great) versions the kids have created?
Andrea Blanco: @Kevin jarrett- I would love to see some student examples of eix
Kevin Jarrett: In fact, the Wix people want to interview some of our kids for their website/blog - still working on that - they are based in Israel.
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): My program Virtual Virginia is one of the programs specifically held up by Christensen in Disrupting Class.
Greg Thompson (@akamrt): What if the games were predicated on questions rather than somewhat predetermined interactions? Meaning, if the games were designed as opportunities for students to pursue criticial social questions (ie curing AIDS or Cancer) within the course of playing the game students will be preparing themselves for a world where creation intensification will be a norm.
ColetteC: We need to teach our kids how to manage "just in time learning" they need to be exposed to various learning strategies - what to do if you get stuck in your learning
Stephanie Anderson: Christian- what about the kids who don't have access or who have parents who don't care/have other priorities?
roblyons: @ChristianLong Right on! re: ownership
KerryJ-Education.au: @Greg Thompson - talk to @Bron about Quest Atlantis
Kevin Jarrett: @christian @andrea yes, remind me on Twitter!
Christian Long: @Kevin J: I'm getting ready to a huge TED-focused unit (8 weeks straight in the spring) and I'd love to have the kids create their own sites that house their thinking/ideas for that project. And want something clean/classy/design-centric on a visual level.
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): Actually, he looks at computer tutor AND teacher driven online courses....
Andrea Blanco: @Kevin Thanks! Will do
Kevin Jarrett: @chris - I think Wix is going to be a home run for you.
leonard waks: End of schools sounds good to me. I want to see them transformed into learning cetners with 'as much schoo (or as little)l as you want'.
Todd Williamson: @Kevin how does Wix compare to a site like Weebly? Similar? Advantages for Wix?
Christian Long: @Stephanie: To be fair, not ALL kid will be in careers that will require the need to develop an on-line portfolio; that being said, there's no reason given the easy/cost of current Web 2.0 options that we cna teach the mindset now...to ALL.
Christian Long: We spend too much time worrying about the tool and the teacher's speed of understanding. We need to teach the mindset: be networked or be left behind.
ColetteC: if it weren't for the social aspect of high school - would our students even be attending right now???
Christian Long: @Kevin J: what is your Twitter handle?
aforgrave (Andrew): @mbteach @Stephanie @Christian Long -- if students learn to learn, to reflect on and value their successes and accomplishments, then the form of their portfolio (electronic) and moving it forward teacher to teacher is a technical detail that can easily be solved ...
KerryJ-Education.au: @ColetteC only if they wanna get into university
mbteach (Mary Beth): Who will watch the kids who decide they don't need as much Learning Center time? What age would they start at?
Wendy Eiteljorg: @Kevin Jarrett-have also been following the pix discussion and would love more info and examples. I teach 5th , multpiple sublects
Matthew Valia - NYC: sounds like NYCs small schools
leonard waks: The original HS was the 'people's college'. Central High in Philadelphia (1838) offered the BA. HS still predominantly oriented to disciplined knowledge: science, math, history, literature and languages. But this is not the right experience for every kid.
Drew Smith: Still think that the passion/project-based curriculum runs into the brick wall of the core knowledge standards people - just don't see them getting past it.
mbteach (Mary Beth): @aforgrave yes. It would require a group effort and seamless communication between teachers in each grade.
kyteacher: @ColletteC Many...no. But when you really start talking to them...they like learning. That just don't like our current system of schooling.
Kevin Jarrett: @wendy what's your Twitter name? I'm @kjarrett
dotty myers: What about the kids who will not be going to college. Wha about vocational options for students.
Stephanie Anderson: @aforgrave I absolutely agree- unless the district gets in the way...
Susan-Chinquapin: I haven't given up on the value of the liberal arts!
Wendy Eiteljorg: @Kevin J-I'm WendyE40
Ed Allen 1: but is career training our job?
aforgrave (Andrew): @Stephanie Anderson -- the district is already in the way ... LOL!
dlaufenberg: @drew the core knowledge people believe in content first, skills second. I don't see them getting past it either.
ColetteC: @kyteacher - I teach at college prep private HS - too much focus on getting the right grade to get into the right college - not enough for on learning for the love of learning
djakes: Creating Web pages?
hshawjr: @Ed Allen we have to prepare them for life and that is part of life
Becky Fisher: Niche or botique schools?
Kevin Jarrett: @WendyE40 - just followed you.
leonard waks: Until the 1870s there was NO professional orientation to the higher learning (HS or college). The academies had some such orientation but the HS trumped them -- bc they were free.
CalArmstrong: @ColetteC +1
jenksbyjenks: it's not exactly game creation as much as it teaches the idea that learning can be game-like. Q2L.
Stephanie Anderson: andrew- too right!
catherine mcmahon: This sounds a little like "tracking" which was very taboo for awhile.
dlaufenberg: yay, educon!
bcdtech(Maureen): @djakes- you heard it right.... no mocking
Kevin Jarrett: YAY EDUCON!
Folmerica: @ColetteC, I'm in the same situation, but some other teachers and I are working to change that. Cultures can change!
dotty myers: Iste is a great conference to attend.
Paula: YAY, educon is right!
Stephanie Anderson: colette- same problem at my school
mbteach (Mary Beth): Love this list. was reading it this morning
Linda Nitsche: W00t EduCon!
Peter: The questions are important.
kyteacher: @ColletteC I'm at a somewhat rural hs in Kentucky. Focus on bringing up test scores. Real learning is getting lost in both cases.
KerryJ-Education.au: Url please?
Wendy Eiteljorg: @KevinJ following you too. thanks
Jon Becker: web tour window freaking out...
Moderator (Will Richardson):
JimW: I work in a vocational school and it is a constant issue to make a connection between the vocational teachers and the ed teachers.
Becky Fisher: Role of the teacher must change from the provider of all knowledge...must accept the world as the classroom...
mbteach (Mary Beth): Teacher as facilitator of learning, guiding students toward knowledge
Megan: stop the lecture!
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): Won't technology push towards standarization of curriculum, thus limiting autonomy of individual teacher?
Cary Harrod: I see the role of teacher needing to change hugely.
Andrea Blanco: There's your facilitator Jakes!
Drew Smith: Projects > lectures
jackiegerstein: Teacher as the tour guide of learning possiblities
Moderator (Will Richardson): Diana!
Megan: teacher = learner
leonard waks: Monica Nagouy, on the Teaching Company Algebra One course, offers a model of great algebra teachingm, with lots of higher order thinking sidebars. Fantastic at understanding functions and the relation between formulas and graphs.
Susan-Chinquapin: @Cary: Teachers need to rethink their identities.
Wendy Eiteljorg: @Cary Harrod Hi!
leonard waks: Dontg worry about the baby.
Cary Harrod: @susan yes
AdrianC: are the educon recordings available yet?
Becky Fisher: @Scott Cloud Can't we standardize the curriculum (standards) without standardizing the learning path?
Cary Harrod: @wendy hi!
bcdtech(Maureen): Sorry, a bit ago you said something about elementary vs middle/high school- did you make a point or did I miss it?
ColetteC: @folmerica - unfortunately - the pushy parents grew up in the lecture-test environment and they don't see the difference in their own kids and how the learning environment needs to be different - even in college prep hs
dlaufenberg: (thanks Will) I think that history is transformed by tech as well. The constant access to the national archives alone...
jackiegerstein: Do you think that people used to throw out babies with bathwater?
Folmerica: Teacher autonomy is a double-edged sword. Gives the progressive room to grow, but also gives the lazy a place to wallow.
Becky Fisher: Does teacher autonomy = variance = crap shoot
Kevin Jarrett: “No one, not even a farmer, works as hard as a caring teacher, but there is nothing lazier than an uncaring one.” - Tom Moore
Susan-Chinquapin: How do we change teachers enough to get them to work in the community?
djakes: He's about to say facilitator...
dotty myers: teacher as a facilitatior. 50 years ago we had to think because we didn't have all this technology. We had critical thinking skills. Teachers taught and we were expected to learn.
Moderator (Rich Halverson): it only takes one baby!
Andrea Blanco: LOL
Folmerica: You got it Kevin!
Wendy Eiteljorg: @cary Harrod-check out Sheryl's big idea discussion, I added a few things
Jon Becker: "It only takes one baby" (Halverson, 2010)
Cary Harrod: @wendy k
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): teacher autonomy = variance. Yet variance also leads to innovation, which leads to growth.
Paula Naugle: Educon 2.2 site
leonard waks: I like babies. The school baby is very healthy and doen't need us to wqorry about it getting thrown out with bath water
mbteach (Mary Beth): @Folmerica that's what we're up against. A few rotten apples idea. Or teachers who need more help to be independent but are not supported
djakes: Are learners prepared to learn that way?
Cary Harrod: The game has changed...
bcdtech(Maureen): Kids used to do "real work", the ones who went to school got to be scholars and facilitators. Now we can actually let all kids do "real work". Different/same model
Susan-Chinquapin: Learners are learning without us!
AdrianC: @Paula can't find the recordings though.....
dlaufenberg: acutally, the most recent iteration of the educon site is
Cary Harrod: so then we need to be the change, yes?
Drew Smith: There's a whole certification industry that will fight these changes tooth & nail
Peter: So, what is it that kids need to learn? How can we as teachers make this happen? What does technology add or take away?
Matt Oswald - Power Learning Ponies - Stillwater, MN: Do studetnts come to school to watch teachers work harder?
Diane K: @Cary Harrod Yes. Agents of Change.
ColetteC: project based teaching - teaches depth - but our school system still focuses on "coverage"
Cary Harrod: We can't wait for a top down anymore.
Megan: porject based teaching? I thought it was project based learning?
Bron: Best teachers are Passionate about the domain
Susan-Chinquapin: Getting students to think togehter -- blogs and social networking!
jackiegerstein: very quick hour!
mbteach (Mary Beth): @Adrian from what I know, they're not up yet. Maybe someone else knows differently?
Kevin Jarrett: Holy cow this was incredible...
catherine mcmahon: Thank you for the wonderful discussion!
Drew Smith: Welcome to Elluminate Kevin!
Stephanie Anderson: This was a really good session Thanks!
Cary Harrod: thank you!
Jon Becker: @kevinjarrett - master of the hyperbole!
Becky Fisher: What? An hour has passed?
Folmerica: Great session! Lots to think about!
Bron: thanks everyone
roblyons: Teacher Prep programs have little value
mbteach (Mary Beth): Between Alfie Kohn and this session, my little brain is spinning!
Paula Naugle: Thank you everyone. Great conversation.
kyteacher: Wow...that was fast.
Peter: Thank you
AdrianC: Thanks guys
Andrea Blanco: Thanks for the session
Judy O from PA: thank you everyone
djakes: Read the book, its awesome!
Moderator (Rich Halverson): yay Jon!
mbteach (Mary Beth): Thanks for a great session!
Scott Cloud (Virtual Virginia): This is good stuff. Thank you!
Jon Becker: yay Jon!
Diane K: Thank you.
Kevin Jarrett: @Jon Becker ZOMG!!!! YES!!!
Paula: Thanks so much--that was a FAST hour!!
roblyons: in today's world of teaching
Cary Harrod: I just got it from Amazon!
Folmerica: I'm buying now!
Jon Becker: well played, Kevin.
aforgrave (Andrew): Thanks, Will! Thanks, Rich! Thanks, Allan!
CelineRC: Thank you /Merci !
Jerelyne (@jneman): Thank you!
jackiegerstein: Thanks for facilitation Will
Stephanie Anderson: put the amazon link back up!
leonard waks: Thanks so much Allan and Rich.
Kevin Jarrett: Thanks, Allan, Rich and Will...
leonard waks: Thanks Will
djakes: thanks everyone
dlaufenberg: thank you for your time
Wendy Eiteljorg: thanks everyone
Becky Fisher: Thanks to everyone....JB and PW...how to impact our tech planning?
Linda Nitsche: Thank you everyone! Great conversation!
tom fullerton: This was awesome - hed to be super-dad simultaneously so missed some :P
Tod Baker: Thank you everyone. This was great!
kyteacher: Thank you...to all involved in putting this together. Glad we have a snow day tomorrow. I have some thinking to do.
rebrouse: Thanks everyone
dotty myers: wonderful chat
Drew Smith: Thanks Allan, Rich, Will, et al...
Megan: thanks Will!
Patti Lewis Cincinnati: thanks everyone
Christian Long: Good stuff, Will and gang!
roblyons: Great job!
Dale Thompson: thank you
laurie toll: Thanks for the chat!
Moderator (Robin Ellis): sure
Moderator (Robin Ellis): have a good evening
tom fullerton: night
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