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=uwb.= [|full view.] http://learningismessy.com/blog/ brian crosby's blog jane vg at 2:39 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web bryan crosby teaches in a title1 school with mostly ELL kids -- social justice dimensions of his work is really interesting jane vg at 2:35 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web if we rephrase the cell phone question with any piece of print media, would we be able to answer it? jane vg at 2:32 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web I remember hearing Donald Leu present tech/literacy issues in 2003 at the National Reading Conference... Tony at 2:12 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Hit the play button at the bottom of the graph Allison. You will totally be amazed Robin at 2:11 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Interesting website, Robin Allison at 2:10 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Does cell phone use, for example, foster verbosity or eloquence? Tony at 2:10 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web My students have to have data and graphical literacy skills to interpret the data they consume on the internet. That isn't in the curriculum Robin at 2:08 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Tony -- no. Which is why we need to teach how to do it well. jane vg at 2:08 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Does online collaboration necessarily lead to greater understanding? Tony at 2:07 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web I have been struggling with the ways it changes not only the way I teach math but the math itself. Ex: @http://www.gapminder.org/ Robin at 2:07 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Thanks, Allison. Yes, faculty and students. Terry at 2:07 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Terry, Each participant - meaning both faculty and students? Allison at 2:06 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web 'Want' and 'need' do not always align. Tony at 2:06 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web In that each participant is equally valuable to the holistic education. Terry at 2:05 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web This feels like the kind of education structured around The Evergreen State College. Terry at 2:05 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web i want to research it actually. Wayne at 2:02 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web not yet. but i do think those activist groups are serving as professional networks for improving practice. Wayne at 2:01 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web wayne, Yes. is there a digital element to that networking in any sponsored way -- I know of FB pages jane vg at 1:58 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web So then are they an educator, too? Terry at 1:57 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Jane, actually, at Rethinking Schools, we've always encouraged teachers to build networks for survival. Now we push activist groups too. Wayne at 1:57 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web But if I have an ongoing, long term "virtual" relationship, then they might be a mentor Robin at 1:57 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web They could be either Terry. If I am just learning a specific quick skill, they are a teacher of that one thing. Robin at 1:56 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web How do kids come to be "Andrew?" Allison at 1:56 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Teachers are of any age from anywhere, I believe that the same has been said of mentors. So are these people mentors or teachers? Terry at 1:55 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web so how do we teach our teachers to build their own professional learning networks? jane vg at 1:55 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Ooh! Great statement Tony!! Robin at 1:52 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Tony I think we have our t-shirt slogan :) jane vg at 1:51 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Education is as crucial as ever; schooling needs a new paradigm Tony at 1:51 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web  Yup Robin Exactly jane vg at 1:50 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web  Jane my answer for that: Are there books that have bad things in them? So does that mean that we shouldn't let kids read books? Robin at 1:50 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web  Tony@good lad: so how do we educate in an information rich world when the historical model is built on information scarcity jane vg at 1:50 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web  I do hear my students say that because there are sites like this, we should not let kids use the internet for research. But that's not educ jane vg at 1:48 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web  Google is a verb; Kleenex is a noun. I love the flexibility of English! Tony at 1:47 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web  Teaching students "how to google" is also a digital literacy skill Robin at 1:45 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web I'm reminded of John Goodlad's insistence to differentiate 'schooling' and 'education' Tony at 1:44 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web I still worry about security issues and political conservatism with social networking/production, etc. guess i'm old school that way. Wayne at 1:27 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Yes, Terry, and that suggests an important role for educators Tony at 1:27 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web What I think is being said is, "its here, they're using it, let's teach to it." Terry at 1:26 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Tony, what can we learn from how people are now reading socially that can inform our pedagogy? jane vg at 1:25 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web How does tech use change as kids get older? How do we scaffold that use? Carrie at 1:24 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Wayne, I think we do need to think about a developmental trajectory to using technology Carrie at 1:24 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Great question, Wayne. Terry at 1:24 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Interesting for consideration regarding writing papers. Terry at 1:23 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web does age impact how we think about this digital literacy issue? (e.g., primary v secondary) Wayne at 1:23 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Where is the pedagogy? Tony at 1:23 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Risky to confound digital literacy with quick clicking Tony at 1:22 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Wayne, I find most kids develop skills to a low level on their own, and don't build them w/o a push. Bill Corrigan at 1:18 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Students aren't digitally literate. They just can use the tech. Being able to read words doesn't make me literate or able to read a book. Robin at 1:17 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web great point cap. Wayne at 1:16 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Bill, I generally agree. but they are expert in some digital literacy skills too - just not ones we necessarily value in school. Wayne at 1:16 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web the wiki issues... connect with the problems/issues around discipline... including those raised by Foucault cap Peck at 1:15 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web does he think that teacher education promotes that kind of 'delivery' of info? Wayne at 1:12 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web but there are some pretty big class/race related gaps in kinds of "literacy" (producing vs.consuming) jane vg at 1:12 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Again this is the assumption that all students will access this. Terry at 1:12 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Brad, I think he's arguing that that's our job now Carrie at 1:12 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Wayne, most kids are novice in their skills, I believe they need coaching from experts. Bill Corrigan at 1:12 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web I'm struggling to find where reflection occurs in this fire hose of connections? Brad at 1:11 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web exactly his point, I think, wayne. jane vg at 1:11 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web another thought: kids are already digitally literate. we don't need to teach this. they need critical digital literacy skills though? Wayne at 1:10 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web i mean operating within framework of viewing individuals solely as consumers. Wayne at 1:09 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web wayne, consumer culture? jane vg at 1:08 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web good point tony. jane vg at 1:08 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web underlying premises: consumer culture is okay, choice really exists? Feels like this. Wayne at 1:07 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Jane, I meant 'passion' here is connected to ideas of choice and the individual. These aren't universal. Tony at 1:07 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Technology is market-driven, not reform-driven. Bill Corrigan at 1:07 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web michael, the world outside of school has already gone. THe question here is what schools then become jane vg at 1:05 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Is 'passion for learning' valued equally across diverse groups? Tony at 1:03 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web ahhh. Ok. I understand. That's what I was trying to point out too. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Terry at 1:03 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Terry, I don't disagree on that point (focus of my research), I just challenge the value of the test fundamentally. Wayne at 1:02 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web what is the difference between information, and education? I don't raise this as "resistance"...but as a way to think about what is preciou cap Peck at 1:02 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web "Teaching them how to represent themselves in a google search" is definitely a skill just like creating a resume Robin at 1:02 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web say more tony jane vg at 1:02 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Is 'passion-based learning' the main goal? Might this be culturally specific? Tony at 1:01 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Wayne, testing & race are very closely connected to social justice. If you dont have equal access to resources, etc. that are being tested.. Terry at 1:00 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web i should say, i understand the issues of race and positioning and testing, but i don't think that is really connected to social justice. Wayne at 12:56 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web great comment about the obama digs. context and social justice. lets get on to the elearning. i would not be here if i didn't want to move f Stephanie at 12:55 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web thanks cap. i'm glad you called him on it. although i'm still not convinced about the arguments around race, justice, and testing. Wayne at 12:55 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Print is linear. Digital media is not. It takes even more literacy skills to navigate. Robin at 12:54 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web and what about networking skills? jane vg at 12:53 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Kids who struggle to read print struggle even more online Tony at 12:53 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web We don't teach digital literacy skills. We teach grooming, manners, playing nice. Why not teach how to interact online? Robin at 12:53 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web The importance of media and information literacy skills cannot be overstated Tony at 12:53 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web I agree with him that we need to teach kids how to manage and take control of their public online identities Carrie at 12:52 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web When you do figure it out, teach me Bill Corrigan at 12:52 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web What he is talking about is digital literacy. Teaching important things like not clicking "stay logged in" when using fb on a public comp Robin at 12:51 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web i'm waiting for the real time/real world movement to develop in response... only a matter of time I think. Wayne at 12:51 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web so there are opportunities for kids to find what they don't now know that they don't know? jane vg at 12:50 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web If we don't teach/encourage our kids to talk with others how will they learn to meet new folks? Bill Corrigan at 12:48 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web I think you can learn it from Youtube Tony. You just can't get a license to practice. Robin at 12:47 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web So why can't I learn to be a doctor by watching Youtube? Tony at 12:47 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web The same argument was made over 100 years ago against high school. Now, its a national standard. Terry at 12:46 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web I agree Wayne, it isn't the destination that we need to focus on, it is going to happen. The transition is what is missing Robin at 12:46 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web How do we change and adapt and consider the issues like how does a student know he needs algebra...especially when he doesn't "like" it Robin at 12:45 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web he's right about the commonsense issue, but feels like he's missing something about transformation. Wayne at 12:44 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web I am in total agreement with him. I think that smartphones are coming and can't be avoided. My ?s are more about how are we going to do it Robin at 12:44 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web I don't think that we are arguing that we had solved problems of teaching judgment and choice and now tech is messing that up? jane vg at 12:43 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web I do too but I'm not sure technology is the only answer to this Carrie at 12:42 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web okay, now I'm agreeing with him about the problem solving and inquiry stuff. Wayne at 12:42 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web What about parents and voters? Bill Corrigan at 12:40 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web cap, i want to see the rest of your comment. Wayne at 12:40 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web the issues around judgement (that Tony raises) and choice (that Wayne and Robin are raising) seem to me to relate to the functions of discip cap Peck at 12:39 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web the 100 mill from zuckerberg will change something: break the teachers union. Wayne at 12:39 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web I don't agree that educators don't get the switch. Bill Corrigan at 12:39 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web is there an app for that Robin? :) Carrie at 12:39 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web What teachers need to offer to students is their adaptive expertise. I.e. We need to teach math the way real mathematicians DO math. Robin at 12:39 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web  Ah, knowing and doing are different. Tony at 12:38 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web  but do teachers have the discretion to meet students' needs? jane vg at 12:37 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web  Schools may not know what students need, but good teachers do. Tony at 12:36 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web  Expertise is not always offered. Novice learning is easy to find. Bill Corrigan at 12:36 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web  are we too stuck in the idea of "liberal education"? Is the conception of what kids "need to know" changing? Who decides that? Carrie at 12:36 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web  Exactly! Great points Robin and Wayne. Terry at 12:36 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web  robin, do schools know what kids need? jane vg at 12:35 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Robin, they'd just study stuff they like. Tony at 12:35 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web huge issue, Robin. we don't know what we don't know. how do we figure that out just on our own? Wayne at 12:35 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web So could students diagnose their educational needs and look it up online? How do they know what they need? i.e. Math, science Robin at 12:34 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web In one study only 33% of frequent Internet users had been taught to judge the reliability of online sources Tony at 12:33 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Vetting authors, filtering data, considering sources... Tony at 12:33 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web what they are not exposed to? Terry at 12:31 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web The biggest issue for online teaching/learning = vetting of authors? Wayne at 12:31 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Great, if a person is passionate about learning, but what about exposure. People are drawn to what they enjoy, and do well. What about... Terry at 12:31 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Learning happens dispute of teaching. Bill Corrigan at 12:30 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web passion, motivation, culture have always been critical to education - and teachers work on this all the time (good ones) Wayne at 12:29 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web ...they should not invest in technology jane vg at 12:28 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Motivation is prime for learning, no? Bill Corrigan at 12:28 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web cap, my students answer the social justice question by arguing that because they're in title 1 schools without equipment, they shoul not to jane vg at 12:27 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web actually there is work on providing equal access to the internet. the fcc and other agencies have implemented new measures for rural areas a Stephanie at 12:27 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web what are the social justice implications of the changes you are describing? cap Peck at 12:26 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web that's already happening bill. military is using video games to recruit and train. Wayne at 12:26 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web I can't know what I don't know but I can have many many questions jane vg at 12:25 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web I'd like to hear you talk about the idea of "discipline"...what might this mean in the context of the "new learning" environments you are de cap Peck at 12:25 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web cognitive version of invisible hand of the free market? leave it up to individuals to sort it out in competition. Wayne at 12:25 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web How to transfer skill in shootinng aliens to building airplanes? Bill Corrigan at 12:25 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Crowdsoursing misses out on expertise Bill Corrigan at 12:23 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Students need to know not only how to FIND a teacher, but how to find a teacher that actually KNOWS the right "stuff" Robin at 12:23 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web But do you still need me at all? Wayne at 12:22 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web exactly what I was thinking too Tony. How do you know what you don't know? Carrie at 12:22 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Good question about learning, Tony. Plus, there are things that face-to-face groups can do that virtual ones cannot. Wayne at 12:22 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web How is it decided what SHOULD be learned? Not choice but necessary body of knowledge and/or skills? Tony at 12:22 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web How do you decide what SHOULDN'T be learned on your own? Carrie at 12:21 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web "I can't become a doctor by watching videos online." What about becoming a teacher? Tony at 12:20 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web How is 'learning' being defined? Tony at 12:18 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Likely need workplace transformation first Bill Corrigan at 12:15 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web yes, have to look at the politics of corporate-backed reform for all of this stuff. Zuckerberg is backing the mayoral takeover of Newark sc Wayne at 12:14 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web not waiting for superman jane vg at 12:12 PM, 24 Sep 2010 via web Welcome to UWB, Will! 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